Shine On

A Book to accompany the CD Boxed Set


Category :Books Devoted to Pink Floyd
Publication: Shine On: The book to accompany the CD box set
Compiled by: Nick Mason, David Gilmour, Storm Thorgerson
Released: 1992
Language: English
Number of Errors/Comments: 31
Errors
Pages: [10a] [10b] [10c] [10d] [11a] [11b] [12] [13a] [13b] [13c] [13d] [14a] [14b] [14c] [14d] [14e] [17a] [17b] [32-33] [48] [55] [56] [57] [63] [67] [79] [81] [97] [100-101] [103] [108-109a] [108-109b]
Page:10
Book
"Pink Floyd band formed in 1966 previously called Sigma 6, Tea Set, The Megadeaths, The Abdabs. Called Pink Floyd in 1967 with first gig at Powis Square, W11"
Fact
The band was first formed in 1965 under the name Sigma 6. The band was first billed as The Pink Floyd Sound in late 1965, at a show at London's Countdown Club. The band played multiple shows as The Pink Floyd at Powis Gardens as early as October 14, 1966.
Source Echoes FAQ, Schaffner, page 27.
Category: Factual Error / Incorrect Dates / Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
According to Schaffner, the evolution of the band's name was as follows:
  • Sigma 6
  • the T-Set
  • the Megadeaths
  • the Architectural Abdabs
  • the Screaming Abdabs
  • the Abdabs
  • the Pink Floyd Sound
  • the Pink Floyd
  • Pink Floyd
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Page: 10
Book
... states that Arnold Layne peaked at #19 on the Billboard UK charts
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Factual Error (?)
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According to Schaffner's book Arnold Layne peaked at #20.
Also, see page 16 and page 162 of Cliff Jones' book.
Analysis/Comments

Page 10
Book
...calls the title of the first album: Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Fact
The real title is The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Category: Oops
Analysis/Comments
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Page:10
Book
...claims that See Emily Play peaked at #5 on the Billboard UK charts.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Factual Error (?)
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Both Schaffner (page 10) and Cliff Jones (page 162) state that See Emily Play
peaked at #6.
Analysis/Comments
Again, it seems that the correct info here is #6

Page:11
Book
... mentions that the band met with French choreographer Roland Petit in 1971 to discuss writing a ballet score.
Fact
he meeting actually occured on December 4, 1970
Source: Schaffner, page 158.
Category: Incorrect Date
Analysis/Comments
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Page:11
Book
...says that the US single of Money/Any Colour You Like peaked at #10 on the charts.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Factual Error (?)
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Schaffner, page 321 states that this single peaked at #13
Analysis/Comments

Page:12
Book
...states that US single of Us and Them/Time never charted.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Factual Error
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Schaffner, page 321 puts says that this single charted at #101 position.
Analysis/Comments

Page: 13
Book
...Mentions the "Annuals" tour of 1977.
Fact
The 1977 tour (in support of Animals) was called the In the Flesh tour.
Category: Oops
Analysis/Comments
probably a typo, but a dumb one
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Page: 13
Book
states that Roger Waters conceived the idea of building a wall between the audience and the band during the second leg of the 1977 tour.
Fact
This is entirely true.
Category: Incomplete Info/Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
In all likelihood, the concert at which Waters first conceived the wall idea was the July 6, 1977 Montreal show (cf. the text at the Rock'nRoll Hall Of Fame Wall exhibit; Cliff Jones, page 122). Especially confusing is that the book has a separate entry for the Montreal show.
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The Montreal Show entry in this book.

Page:13
Book
Roger Waters spat on a fan who was spraying him with a spray gun at theJuly 6, 1977 Montreal show
Fact
Waters did indeed spit on a fan at the Montreal show, although his exact reasons for doing so are unknown.
Category: Myth ?
Analysis/Comments
The "spray paint" part of the story has circulated elsewhere and is generally considered to be apocryphal. There is no evidence in support of it.
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Page:13
Book
...states that Roger Waters formulated the concept of "The Wall" in January 1978.
Fact
Category: Incorrect Dates/External Contradiction
Analysis/Comments
The exact point after the 1977 tour at which Waters developed the concept is unknown, but Schaffner (page 221) claims that Waters went to work on it as early as September 1977, and had presented his demos to the band by October 1978 (Schaffner 224; Jones 122). Other sources (c.f. with info from http://www.rockhall.com/visit/exhibits/thewall/wall2.html) mention that the demos were presented to the band in July, 1978.
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page 221 and page 224 of Schaffner; page 122 of Cliff Jones. See also page 79 entry for this book.

Page 13
Book
states that studio work for Animals began in April of 1976.
Fact
???
Category: External Contradiction
Analysis/Comments
Cliff Jones, page 112 states that recording for the Animals album began in March of 1976
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Page:14
Book
says:
" The Wall eventually reaches #1 in the US and #3 in the UK."
Fact
This statement is entirely accurate
Category: Oops
Analysis/Comments
...but the book mentions it twice, in virtually identical wording, separated by only one sentence.
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Page:14
Book
states that the final performance of The Wall was the last time the four-man Floyd played together. Richard Wright "left" Pink Floyd soon afterward.
Fact
Wright was "forced" out by Waters (with Gilmour's consent) during the final stages of recording The Wall. He played at the Wall shows as a salaried sideman, not a full partner or band member.
Category: Factual Error
Analysis/Comments
The last time the foursome (Gilmour, Mason, Waters, Wright) played together as a band was sometime during the recording of The Wall in 1979. The last time they publically performed together as a band was July 6, 1977 in Montreal. The last time the four publically performed together was indeed the final WallJune 17, 1981.
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Page:14
Book
The shooting of The Wall film began at Pinewood Studios in 1981.
Fact
The first day of shooting was done at the home of a retired admiral, and much of the subsequent shooting was done at Pinewood Studios. Source:Schaffner, pages 247-248
Category: Oops/Factual Error
Analysis/Comments
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Page:14
Book
EMI canceled the release of a Money/Let There Be More Light single in 1981.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction
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According to Schaffner, page 320 the single, featuring the remade version of Money from A Collection of Great Dance Songs, was released in the UK as Harvest HAR 5217.
Analysis/Comments

Page: 14
Book
World premiere of the "Wall" film took place at Cannes Film Festivale
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Factual Error
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Schaffner, page 251 states that the premiere occured at the Empire Theater in London's Leicester Square.
Analysis/Comments

Pages: 17,48
Book
..states that Dark Side of the Moon dropped off the Billboard charts after 724 weeks.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction
X-ref
Schaffner, page 183 states that Dark Side of the Moon spent 736 weeks on the charts. Also Cliff Jones, page 93 gives 760 as the number of weeks DSOTM spent in charts.
Analysis/Comments

Page:17
Book
The entry for the Russian Soyuz rocket launch (which carried Delicate Sound of Thunder) comes before the entry for the release of the album.
Fact
The cosmonauts did take pre-recorded tapes of Delicate Sound Of Thunder with them but it happened before the official release date of the album.
Category: Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
The book fail to state clearly the abovementioned fact.
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Page: 32-33
Book
David Gilmour is quoted in the Meddle section as saying the original working title was Nothing Parts, 1 - 36. The sidebar on page 33 mentions the working title during recording was Nothing Parts 1 - 24.
Fact
In the first sessions for material that would be included on Meddle, the band put down 36 ideas which eventually became Echoes (by way of a variety of seemingly-frivolous titles). Source:Schaffner, pages 163-164, Shine On, page 35
Category: Internal Contradiction/Factual Error/Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
Although the author is not clear, the book implies that the name Nothing Parts 1 -36 was a working title for the album which became Meddle. While this may be the case, Nothing Parts 1-36 is generally thought to be a working title for the track Echoes, which was made up of several of the 36 ideas, and which had yet to acquire lyrics or a serious title.
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Page: 55
Book
...states that the recording of Wish You Were Here was interrupted by a short American tour which began in April of 1975.
Fact
There were two short American tours which interrupted the sessions, one in April and one in June. SourceSchaffner, page 200, Shine On, page 63, Cliff Jones, page 102
Category: Incomplete Info/Internal Contradiction
Analysis/Comments
The session dates in Jones and in Shine On also support this claim, giving no recording dates from 28mar75 to 4may75 and from 6jun75 and 6jul75, while listing 5-9may75 as dates when the band was in the studio. Audience tapes exist for shows in June.
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Shine On, page 63, Cliff Jones, page 102

Page:56
Book
Lyrics for Have a Cigar contain the line
You're gonna go far, fly high
Fact
The sung lyrics (both in the studio and live performances) are
You're gonna go far, you are gonna fly high
Category: Oops ?
Analysis/Comments
The lyrics printed in the book match those printed in the CD insert (and, presumably, the original LP sleeve), but these do not accurately reflect what is sung. Whether the discrepancy is intentional or is derived from a printer's error is anyone's guess, but it is obvious that no one connected with Pink Floyd has made an effort to have the printed lyrics fixed in over twenty years, if in fact the error has been brought to the band's attention at all.

Of course, this is not the only instance in which the printed lyrics do not match what is sung, and while some of these (such as The Wall) are somewhat accidental, others are possibly not (such as The Final Cut).

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see also page 81 entry for this book.

Page: 57
Book
Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part 2) is listed as the final track on Wish You Were Here.
Fact
This portion of the album is properly titled Shine On You Crazy Diamond (parts VI-IX)
Category: Oops
Analysis/Comments
The authors of the book correctly listed the album's first track as Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part I-V) (which, technically, should be parts I-V), and must have slipped up on the other title.
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See Cliff Jones, entries for pages page 106 and page 111 (a).

Page: 63
Book
Recording dates for Wish You Were Herelisted as (the year is 1975):
  • January 6-9
  • February 3-6
  • Msrch 3-12
  • March 24-27
  • May 5-9
  • July 2-5
  • July 7-19
Fact
Category: External Contradiction
Analysis/Comments
Cliff Jones, page 102 lists the following dates (compare underlined and italicized dates to the above) :
  • January 6-9
  • February 3-6
  • Msrch 3-12
  • March 24-27
  • May 5-9
  • June 5
  • July 2-5
  • July 7-11
  • July 14-19
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See page 55 entry for this book, and Cliff Jones, page 102 and page 104 (b).

Page: 67
Book
...states that the album Animals contains a song entitled Pigs
Fact
The correct title is Pigs (Three Different Ones".
Category: Internal Contradiction / Oops
Analysis/Comments
The book lists the correct title on the facing page (66).
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Page:79
Book
...states that Roger Waters formulated the overall concept for The Wall in January 1978 and began preparing demo tapes. Work began on The Wall in November 1978.
Fact
Category: External Contradiction/Incorrect Dates/Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
Although the absolute truth is unclear and may never be revealed, here is a rough timeline pieced together from Schaffner and other sources:

The In the Flesh tour ended in July 1977, and in September Waters went to work on The Wall (he wrote and recorded demos for both The Wall and The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking during this period). In July 1979, Waters presented the band with demos of both, and the other 3 (2?) members of the band selected The Wall as the next album. Rick Wright gave an interview in "late 1978" in which he talked about the album, so some preliminary work must have been done by this time, but the recording seesions did not begin until April 1979 (according to Shine On book).

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see page 13d entry for this book; see also Schaffner, page 221 and Cliff Jones, page 164.

Page: 81
Book
The tracklist for The Wall lists (and provides lyrics for) both Empty Spaces and What Shall We Do Now? between Goodbye Blue Sky and Young Lust.
Fact
What Shall We Do Now did not appear on the album.
Category: Unclear Statement
Analysis/Comments
From Echoes FAQ version 3.6 Section 3 #26:
"Originally, The Wall was supposed to include the song What Shall We Do Now?, but this was cut because of time limitations. The change was made so late in the game that the album sleeves had already been printed, including the lyrics and original order. ... What Shall We Do Now? was to come up right after Goodbye Blue Sky, followed with Empty Spaces showing up later (before ABitW 3) as a sort of reprise."
Although What Shall We Do Now? did not appear on the album, it was performed live in place of Empty Spaces and was used in the feature film of The Wall. While it would have been a simple matter to substitute correct lyrics and running order in future pressings of The Wall (and on the later CD release), this was not done. It is interesting to note that the correct running order of The Wall's side 3 was printed in Shine On, even though the record sleeve (and later CD insert) list Hey You after Comfortably Numb.

Of course, this is not the only instance in which the printed lyrics do not match what is sung, and while some of these (such as Wish You Were Here) are conceivably accidental, others are possibly not (such as The Final Cut).

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see also entry for of this book.

Page:97
Book
The sidebar is a direct reproduction of a paragraph from Schaffner, with no attribution.
Fact
Copmpare to page 289 of Schaffner.
Category: Incomplete Info/Non-Floyd
Analysis/Comments
Although it is possible that Schaffner gave the band permission to quote him, this is unlikely, as Schaffner died in 1991 ( )-: ) and Shine On was first released in 1992. At the very least, the book should give credit to Schaffner for writing the copy which the authors thought was good enough to include as factual text, rather than commentary.
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Pages: 100-101
Book
David Gilmour is quoted as saying (concerning A Momentary Lapse of Reason):
"And we never sat down and said, 'God, this doesn't sound Pink Floyd enough -- let's do this to make it sound more Pink Floyd'."
Fact
Category: Unclear Statement ?
Analysis/Comments
Gilmour probably said these very words ....

... but the truth behind them is questionable. According to Schaffner, the record executives were very displeased with the early tapes Gilmour played for them, and instructed Gilmour and producer Bob Ezrin to make the record sound more like the band's earlier material. And according to Schaffner, Gilmour and Ezrin revamped much of the album to do just that.
Source:Schaffner, page 290

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Page:103
Book
...claims that David Gilmour "owns the first Fender Strat ever made -- serial number 001."
Fact
While Gilmour does own Strat number 0001, this was not the first Strat ever made.
Category: Factual Error
Analysis/Comments
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Pages: 108-109
Book
A Recorded History of Pink Floyd contains most (but not all) of the group's recordings, implying that this is a complete discography.
Fact
The list is incomplete.
Category: Incomplete Info / Update
Analysis/Comments
- If you consider all of the various releases in which differ from country to country, the various remasters and upgraded CD versions, and the variety of promotional releases, there are dozens of "official" Pink Floyd releases which aren't included in this Recorded History. Notably, the compilation album Works was omitted, while other compilations (such as Relics, A Nice Pair, and A Collection of Great Dance Songs) were included (perhaps because these compilations were fully authorized by the band). Also, many singles which were released are not listed, while others are listed, and the printed list does not correspond exactly to a list of either US or UK releases. How the decision was made as to which records were "legitimate" enough to include is anyone's guess.

Also, it should be noted that while at the time of the book's original printing Delicate Sound of Thunder was the most recent release, since then Pink Floyd has released The Division Bell, multiple singles, and P*U*L*S*E, and there are indications that further recordings will be made and released.

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Pages: 108-109
Book
  • Release date for More given as July 1969
  • Release date for Ummagumma given as November 1969
  • Release date for Meddle given as November 1971
  • Release date for Wish You Were Here given as September 1975
  • Release date for Animals given as February 1977
  • Release date for The Wall given as November 1979
  • Release date for The Final Cut given as March 1983
  • Release date for A Momentary Lapse of Reason given as August 1987
  • Release date for Delicate Sound of Thunder given as November 1988
Fact
According to the Echoes FAQ 3.6 Section 1 #04.1:
  • UK release date for More was 27jul69
  • UK release date for Ummagumma was 25oct69
  • UK release date for Meddle was 11nov71
  • UK release date for Wish You Were Here was 15sep75
  • UK release date for Animals was 23jan77
  • UK release date for The Wall was 30nov79
  • UK release date for The Final Cut was 21mar83
  • UK release date for A Momentary Lapse of Reason was 8sep87
  • UK release date for Delicate Sound of Thunder was 22nov88
Category: Incomplete Info / Incorrect Dates
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