...Hi, folks!... Ok, I took it and sorted all our T-shirt talks into some document which contains the whole load of our ideas.... Unfortunately I seem to miss a few first posts, but as I recall there was nothing in them that wouldn't be otherwise repeated... If I missed something, just add your 2 pennies here... So the questions under consideration are 1. Do we need an Echoes T-Shirt ? And so far there were only "yes" answers. I think it is decided 2. Is it going to be Echoes Tee or we let alt.dot people in ? As Gerhard and a few more pointed out - it should be Echoes T-shirt, however, if someone else wants it - ok... 3. How much do we want to pay for it? James Haword sez: " Oh, and I'm willing to pay 15 quid + p&p for the finished product" Gerhard (again) wants to pay $25 I would not mind if we go $5 down, and make it $20 or less 4. What is going to be on this T-shirt ? It is generally agreed among all who posted about it, that T-shirt should include some echoes-related email address, a PF-related picture and a quote. There is still a discussion whether "Pink Floyd" should be written on it. 5. Will our T-shirts be colored ? Yes - we all say. 6. What color? Gerhard - black Me - black is ok as a default, but the color should be chosen when we decide on the design. Jon Rosenberg - btw, green is the colour of the T-shirt. 7. What quote should we put there ? Here are the proposals - I've been mad for ...phucking years, absolutely years I don't remember who said it first - looks like it became a folklore.. - Oi! Where is the fucking bar, John? Another folklore (lemme just mention Nadav here, tho' he might not be the first to propose that) Another ideas: From: James Hayward : 1) Quotes : Thought "I been mad..." etc. is a top smart quote, as the guy from Texas mentioned this is rather dodgy. Especially those of you with children who want to wear it. So here are some of my suggestions and a few that other people have mentioned : "You Gotta Be Crazy" "If you can hear this, you are dying" "There is no darkside of the moon, as a matter of fact it's all dark" "Everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon" "After a while you can work on points for style" "Why should I be frightened of dying, there is no reason for it, you've got to go sometime" "Money....It's a gas" "Look mummy there's an airplane up in the sky" "Oy John, where's the f#####g bar" "In the corner of a foreign field" From: andre@iag.tno.nl (Andre Terhorst) How about "Wish You Were Here" "Which One Is Pink" "Welcome to the machine" "One Of These Days I'm going To Cut You Into Little Pieces" "Keep Talking" "The big Bong Theory" "Speak To Me" "Shine On" "Is There Anybody Out There?" Or On The Front : "...we came in" At The Back : "Isn't this where..." Or (to stay in the nowadays popular perverted mood) "Ummagumma" or "Ooohh, I need a dirty woman" :-) (Sorry for all the female echoesians). From Gerhard, Ray O'Hara, and (I think, sorry if I got messed up again) Ray Botelho: As for the front, "Pink Floyd, first in Cyberspace" gets my vote. From: "Bleating and Babbling...." "Echoes: All we need to do is make sure we keep talking." "Tongue tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I" From: Stacy Hawkins Front side of shirt: I am you and what I see is... From: szavada@adrian.adrian.edu (SCOTT) "and what exactly is a dream and what exactly is a joke" From: Charlie Saeger On the front: "Which one's Pink?" On the back: "And who will deny it's what the fighting's all about?" From: (COB/COT Development Officer) ECHOES You've got to be crazy, Gotta have a real need And, the last, but not the least, from me (with some help of Ray B.): Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message. Send your comments to... (this may be written normally, but also - this can be written backwards) ...and the wind cried Mary Let there be more light Careful with that Axe, buddy 8. WHAT is THE DESIGN... The few ideas we have so far: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hayward I think whatever the design is it needs to be taked from a photo or something. Drawn designs can look very dodgy indeed. I can see Pink Floyd written in lightening as looking VERY tacky. Some ideas though : As mentioned before I have a picture which is a collage of all floydian album covers, this was taken from a magazine and looks rather good. The B&W photo of the Dave, Nick, Rick and God on one of the postcards in the XXth Anniversary DSoTM is rather good. The scans of Pompeii on Halcyon are rather good especially the one of Dave and God playing together with a close of of Rogers Bass behind them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bleating and Babbling...." OKay, here's my contribution to the T shirt front: First it's got to have a bear on it (the one from High Hopes) to feature our fearless leader, bear. It could have one of the 'frightened ones' from the wall clutching a teddy bear and huddled in a cave, with several species of small furry animals around him. He's looking out the opening of the cave, and out there is the sun, being eclipsed, with a weird craft flying towards it (Point Me at the Sky, Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun). The quote could be anything. How's 'bout: "Echoes: All we need to do is make sure we keep talking." or "Tongue tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I" (doesn't mean much in terms of echoes, but it is a good tune) or anything...I don't know. I just like the design. Kinda like this: ---------------------------- | | | {cave opening} | | | | ----- ( * ) ----- | o | | --|-- | | | | Very crude, but you may get my idea. | /^\ | | quote | --------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >2) Design : I would say more a symbol. E.g. The DSoTM-pyramid, the Shaking hands from WYWH, A Pig, or the logo used on the Division Bell etc. (I have a baseball-cap which has several of these logos on it) What would be really cool is if there is a blinking LED on it as well :-). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------->2 From: Andre Terhorst ) Design : I would say more a symbol. E.g. The DSoTM-pyramid, the Shaking hands from WYWH, A Pig, or the logo used on the Division Bell etc. (I have a baseball-cap which has several of these logos on it) What would be really cool is if there is a blinking LED on it as well :-). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gerhard den Hollander BTW, I hope to get a B&W scan of the artwork we saw in the Green dragon somewhere over the next week, if we could put something like that as a Tshirt design that would be nice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Finch How 'bout: Front: small '94 PF logo on left breast Back: Across top "echoes@tcs.com" Middle: A picture of a large floating pig tethered to the ground via wires going into a couple (2-3) computers (ie. networked). Bottom: "I've always been mad" or "Raving and Drooling..." or "You Gotta Be Crazy" or "Got to keep the loonies on the path" or "I've always been Erudite" (inside joke) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ray Botelho (this time i got you, Ray) and me, "an email animal" > And for good accompanying artwork, I think the image of a satellite > trasceiver dish "firing" a lightning bolt at a communications > satellite would look pretty cool. ...and we could have the bolt, or actually, not the bolt, but the lightning-style thing, connecting dish with the satellite, and this lightning being shaped as "Pink Floyd"... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few more from me: From: Alexander Dekhtyar - colored T-shirt. the front and the back both look like ASOS (or Meddle) cover.. this one is perfect for "I've been mad" quote... very psychedelic - the same, only with a very bleak pulse cover... - again, "I've been mad" fits perfectly with the guy on the bed (AMLOR), why not take a part of this cover and implant in something else (put him into a prism f.e.) Well and I also had a crazy mess: two men are shaking hands in front of two gigantic heads turned to each other. the background has pyramids, above them a pig is flying... the texture of the surface the men are standing is ASOS cover, and (the addition) there are growing walls (like in the What Shall We do piece of the movie), on both sides of the pic...... (-: (-: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And, while I was putting this all up - Brian Jamison came with an idea... front: _______________________ |_____|_____|_____|_____| __| ...we came in?" |__ __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____| \____|_____|__ __|_____|__ |_____|_____| __|_____|____/ #1 ___|_____| |_____|_____|__ _/|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |_____|_____|_____|_____| echoes@fawnya.tcs.com __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |_____|_____|_____|_____| back: _______________________ |_____|_____|_____|_____| echoes@fawnya.tcs.com __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ __|_____|____/ |_____|_____| |_____|_____| __|_____|__ |_____|___ #2 \____|_____|__ __|_____|\_ __|_____|_____| |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |_____|_____|_____|_____| __"Isn't this where..._ __|_____|_____|_____|_____|__ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |_____|_____|_____|_____| In place of the "#1" on the front and the "#2" on the back (opposite sides of a hole in the wall) could be just about anything. My suggestion is for #1 to be the silhouette drawing on the back cover of Piper, and the #2 to be just the eyes of TDB heads as they appear on the cover of TDB. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Which ECHOES request to put and how to arrange it... Two ideas are present: - echoes@fawnya.tcs.com and - echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com The second, proposed by Ray O'Hara got support in recent posts because of the junk mail concern... I can add top this the following: To: echoes-request@fawnya.tcs.com Subject: Subscribe add-realtime echoes buiK ^- or whatever bear has as the quit word... If we are afraid of junk-mail - why don't we put the correct thing on the T-shirt ? 10. Special Comments and other T-shirt related STUFF .... From James Hayword: No-No's Personally I don't want the words Pink Floyd on it. Anyone who is a Floyd fan will understand the design and quote and ask where you got the t-shirt. Those who aren't Floyd fans won't understand the shirt and ask what the f**k does that mean. From: Jon Finch Maybe it's just my local, but you don't walk around east texas with a t-shirt that say's fuck on it. People (neighbors) would shun me ;). Now you don't want me to have a piece of clothing that I can only wear in the back yard do you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11. NOW THE LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING: WHO WILL TAKE IT OVER ? And so far we don't have volunteers...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheers! ...........Alex, "an email animal".................... Ps. I'm putting this file on my www-page toinight... And what do you say if we store the discussion and the design we come up with there ? Look for http://www.cs.umd.edu/~dekhtyar/pf.html