  urlLink Blogroll Me! Achairde All: Back over at ModBlog mindcandy and I are engaged in a little debate over the The Nature of Porn.
He began with with his "Keep Your Rosaries Off Her Ovaries" Post where I left this Comment: “Oookkkaaayy, what's up with the Rosaries and Ovaries? We don't get nearly as bent as say the Baptists or Church of Godder's do. I think you'll find that in general your average Catholic feels as long as it isn't forced on us or involves children and animals we really don't care what other people do in their personal lives.
We expect, but do not often receive, the same courtesy from others. The only flaws I found in your reasoning is that there is a Casual Link between Serial Rapists and Murderers and Violent Pornography as well as your more Sexualized 'Slasher' Flicks. I am, of course, referring to the Experiments done by Behaviorists concerning the impact on male viewers. Also, John Douglas and the FBI Profiling Unit have collected a large amount of data in their studies of such criminals.
I am not speaking of your 'slap and tickle' type but the shock proofing of our Society is leading filmmaker’s to go to more and explicit portrayals to turn a buck. As for First Amendment Issues, Pornography is Commerce and not Free Speech. Commercial Enterprises do not have the same protections under the Law. That same Law prohibits Cigarette Manufacturers and the purveyors of Hard Liquor off the American Airwaves even though both products are, in fact, Legal in this country. I have never heard of a NFP for Porn, have you? LOL I think the best definition of what Pornography is came from an episode of Designing Women in which one of the characters tells another that there are only 9 people in the US who DON'T know what Pornography is and they're all on the Supreme Court.
The other character comes back with, "Well, why don't they ask the Owners of Adult Book Stores? They know what to buy. Or the guy who runs the Adult Theatre because he knows what to show - it's not like he's going to get all confused and start showing Gandhi! " LMAO I ran your Thesis past one of my cousin's who is a Detective in the Rape/Homicide Squad in Prince Georges County Maryland. His reply was, "The first time I toss a Perp's house after one of these crimes and I DON'T find any Violent Porn (he's NOT speaking about Playboy and Hustler here) I'll write your friend.
Just tell him not to hold his breath! " Since he's been through VICAP at Quantico I think you can safely say that he, too, is an Expert Witness. Keep the Faith! Slan chara, Elaine/cf PS Ya picked Rosaries because it rhymes with Ovaries, didn't ya! 0;) e/cf Long story short ~ he wrote another Post based on my Comment and thus began "THE GREAT PORN DEBATE"!
0;) Now since we are friends and we both like a Good Intellectual Debate we set some Ground Rules and it was 'Bullet Points at 20 Paces'. Those of you who also read CABIN FEVER ONLINE over at ModBlog http://cabinfever.modblog.com know that is my Work Site and this is my Personal one. The main reason being that CFO is also a Resource for Disabled Services, Human Rights Organizations and Government Agencies.
So, I asked that we keep the Debate off of it. So, here is the Opening Salvo in toto. I have to get mindcandy's permission before I move his Response to this here. However, if you are curious I have linked his blog and as soon as I get an OK I will Post it. Keep the Faith Folks! Slan leat, Elaine AKA Cabin Fever CABIN FEVER: THE RANTS Posted by: CabinFever (Online) Date: 5/27/04 at 2:31PM (21h33m ago) Achairde MC: WOW am I an inspiration or WHAT!
ROTFLMAO All THAT off my Comment? What you forgot to tell your readers because I think you are missing the point here is that I am not against Pornography (Ain't my cup of tea ~ but neither is Golf. A so-called Sport that, personally, I feel was invented by a loser who couldn’t make the Hurling Team! But that’s another story! ) What I am against is Violent Deviant Incident (VDI) Pornography. Since we both love Lively Intellectual Debate let’s establish a few Ground Rules on our Discussion, K?
But first, you were right ~ I meant to type VICOD and typed VICAP. MY BAD! VICOD is the Violent Crimes and Offenders Database It is used by State and Local Law Enforcement to find out if the Perv they’re tracking is unique to their area or has been ‘sharing the wealth’, so to speak. The reason it is called VICOD is because sometimes they have a Crime WITHOUT and Offender to match it with. So they feed all the details into the computer, the FBI stores it and an Investigator from BFE South Dakota can search for Crimes where the Victim had an ear removed, for example.
You get a Mea Culpa on me for that one. As for Ground Rules I think it’s best if we decide WHAT we’re debating about. Me, I am AGAINST VDI Porn. I am AGAINST the concept that the Adult Entertainment Business is a First Amendment Issue and not the purview of the Local Zoning Commission, the FCC or OSHA. I am also AGAINST the self-deception that Commercial Violence be it a movie, video game or comic book causes NO desensitization of it’s viewers. Also, this is a Debate about FACTS and not emotions. I know YOU AND I understand that ~ but I think it’s important that the Readers know it too.
They’ve managed to keep ModBlog pretty FLAME FREE and I think we owe it to them to respect that Policy (PHVS aside! ) LOL All right, let’s break out the Bullet Points at 20 Paces mo chara!  ANYTHING Pornographic that involves Animals, Children, Death or Torture is VDI. For Example: Inserting a sewer rat into a woman’s vagina or a man’s anal cavity so that it can chew and claw it’s way out is VDI.
Annie, Betty and Carl having a threesome is NOT. Unless, of course, one of them is packing a sewer rat.  The Adult Entertainment Industry is a BUSINESS and as such should be Regulated as one while receiving the same First Amendment Protections afforded any Corporation or Shopkeeper. The person filming a 30 person Sex Fest is NOT Robert Altman. They are not Artists in search of a venue.
They are business people who wouldn’t continue to do so if they weren’t making money from it. The presumption that they are no different than say Van Gogh or even Mapplethorpe, is at best, a Legal Maneuver to keep the Courts off their backs. At it’s worse it is Hubris that insults every Musician, Painter or Writer who sacrificed their livelihoods and their health in the Elusive Premise of Art for Arts sake There is a difference, like it or not, between starving in a 16 Floor Walk-Up and tossing back a few while you’re on a Sound Stage or Set. For Example: OSHA should have the right to enforce Work Place Safety Rules even if the item in question is a Condom.
If you jeopardize the Health and Wellbeing of your Employees to maximize your Bottom Line you are NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY SWEATSHOP OWNER.  Repeated exposure to Violent Images or Acts, including Sexual ones, does have a negative impact on the Intellect and Emotions of the Viewer. This Premise is supported by the American College of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association and the American Association of Psychologists. The FBI also supports it, as does Interpol, based on Evidence seized by warrant from Pedophiles, Serial Rapists and Serial Killers. For Example: Yesterday a clown, employed by Ringling Brothers, was arrested for Child Molestation and amongst the Evidenced Seized were over 10,000 Pornographic Pictures and Films found in his home.
Which came first ~ the Chicken or the Egg? Did he have those items because he was a Pedophile or did he view such items BEFORE he molested his first victim? Is there a '‘cut off age” for when children become immune to Psychological Damage simply because they turn 18 or 21? If it affected you on May 26th of 2004 and you come of Age on May 27th there’s a pretty substantial reason to expect it to STILL have the same Negative Impact.
As for the Religious Right, these are the SAME people who tell me that Oswald went to Heaven because he was ‘saved’ at the age of 11 and Kennedy went to Hell because he was a Catholic. For all they’re Posturing, Pronouncements and Proclamations they have about as much effect as the dead yeast in Beer. It might be there but it’s NOT accomplishing anything. I’ve been Lobbying for over half of my life. I’ve seen them traipse into a Politician’s Office, do their act and leave. Once they’re safely out of Hearing Range the Official’s usual response is, “Well, there’s sixty minutes of my life I’ll never get back!” So, unless it becomes impossible for people to purchase “Jumbo Jugs” here in the good ole’ US of A I wouldn’t sweat it.
Because, realistically, at the end of the day the Fanatics and the Fans are pretty much back where they started off. Me, as I said before I REALLY don’t care what ‘floats other people’s boats, in fact the SHEAR MAGNITUDE OF THE DEPTH OF MY INDIFFERENCE would leave people breathless in it’s scope! Elaine isn’t against Pornography because she’s much to busy worrying about the Political Prisoner who was given ‘Gasoline Visine’ during his interrogation and is now blind. THAT’S my idea of a First Amendment Issue! (PERSONAL COMMENT TO MINDCANDY HERE) Thanks cariad!
Slan leat, Elaine AKA Cabin Fever CABIN FEVER ONLINE PS I did not use any of the Case Studies you sited in your column. Park is a god and Douglas did some damn fine work for 25 years before he sold out!
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