  I say no,  you say. yes?  I talked to michelle about the " pretty"  guitar I saw (
see below)  and told her what I thought about it.  Well apparently she disagreed with me.  BenMCF419:  guitars were made to rock on,  how can you rock on a guitar with flowers on it BenMCF419:
 it just doesnt happen Olie27:  a girl can BenMCF419:  im not even sure a girl can BenMCF419:  rockin on a flowery guitar.  its like an oxy- moron Olie27:
 no its not,  have you seen 2fast 2furious?  BenMCF419:  no Olie27:  they are like hard core race car driving and the girl has a really girly car,  i dont see why a guitar is any different BenMCF419:
 oh it is BenMCF419:  i dunno how,  but it is Olie27:  no its not Olie27:  you just want to contridict me,  and it won't happen BenMCF419:
 i can contridict you anytime michelle,  besides im right Olie27:  you think you are right?  okay okay,  here i go.  If you rock on a guitar,
 you have a certain image,  an image that is all tough and 'macho' if you will.  well,  when you race cars like they did in 2fast 2furious,  they had an image of all tough and 'macho' you think there is a difference,  there is only a difference if you see it,
 and you obviously do not see,  you may have looked,  but not see,  and not seeing can lead you to go somewhere you don't want to go,  like into a convo about floral guitars and girly cars BenMCF419:  haha BenMCF419:
 you present a good case michelle,  but i have asked my uncle his opinion ( and he is a very good guitarist)  and the two do not relate at all.  I realize that the car and the guitar can both voice your image.  But there is one thing you do with cars and that is drive them.
 guitar on the other hand you play music and there are many different types of music,  but there is none to justify you playing a floral guitar Olie27:  who says you can't rock on with the kind of guitar you want?  who has made it a rule that a girl ( or perhaps a homosexual man)  wants to make some hard core rock on any kind of guitar they choose?
 we are talking about music yes,  so why does the image of the guitar matter so much?  BenMCF419:  because the guitar makes the musician.  just like if it is a crappily made guitar that produces crappy music and that makes the musician sound bad.  well if it is a crappy looking guitar it will make the musician look bad.
 the image of the musician is all important and that is why,  no matter who it is,  it is unaccpetable for a musician to play a floral type guitar BenMCF419:  it ruins the image Olie27:  usually people who like to rock on or listen to the guitar usually don't care about an image,  they are rarely the people who care about how they look,
 like some ppl at school.  therefor,  the rockee wouldn't care about the image of ther rocker cuz he is enjoying the music.  image has nothing to do with the musician BenMCF419:  there are many people who will not buy a product from someone because they dont agree with the others beliefs,  or actions,
 ect.  the image of a rocker has to do with that also.  how far do you think the beatles would have gotten if they had looked like a bunch of hobos?  not far.  the people,  whether they realize it or not care about the image a musician portrays Olie27:
 are we talking about the beatles,  in those days days was like flowers and drugs and stuff?  or like,  99. 5 kiss BenMCF419:  the beatles as in arguably the greatest rock group ever BenMCF419:
 well,  carolyn agrees with you,  but shanis on my side Olie27:  yes,  but lived in the times of the 60's and that was the time of peace,  flowers,
 and drugs and stuff BenMCF419:  but pretty much revolutionized the world of rock and roll Olie27:  and brought flowers with them BenMCF419:  john lennon played a white rickenbacher guitar,  one that is now fameous in the world of rock and roll,  paul mccartney played a violin style bass,
 george harrison played a gibson les paul,  and ringo played the drums BenMCF419:  flowers were not involved Olie27:  are we debating on weither we can rock with flowers?  or wiether " pretty guitars suck"
 cause thats what started this,  and what you just described to me where pretty guitars,  and you just told me that they are admired BenMCF419:  maybe pretty is to general a word,  because yes,  the guitars the beatles played are all very very nice guitars,
 but today at a music store i saw a purple guitar with flowers and glitter all over it,  i talked to the owner of the store and told him that he should burn it,  because no one could honestly rock out on that guitar and besides,  it was pretty in a very ugly way 
