Re: JavaMemoryModel: JMM discussions moving to

From: Joe Bowbeer (
Date: Tue Aug 23 2005 - 22:01:31 EDT

The website terms of participation, which apply to this
mailing list I believe, are as follows:

Isn't their intent to protect these discussions and anything based on
them from patent and copyright suits?


On 8/23/05, Boehm, Hans <> wrote:
> Bill, Doug -
> I didn't take a lot of time to verify this, nor run this past a lawyer.
> But it seemed to me that in order to access the mailing list, I need to
> agree to the usage agreement, which I just declined to do.
> This states in part:
> 12. The Hosts do not claim ownership of Submissions you post or make
> available for inclusion on the Service. However, with respect to such
> Submissions, notwithstanding any other provision of these Website Terms
> of Participation, you grant to the Hosts a royalty-free, perpetual,
> irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and license
> under your intellectual property rights (including, but not limited to,
> copyright, patent trademark and trade secret rights) to use, reproduce,
> modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from,
> distribute, perform and display your Submissions (in whole or part)
> worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or
> technology now known or later developed.
> If I understand this correctly, then it seems to be entirely
> unreasonable for the use of a mailing list. In particular, I'm not sure
> whether it implies that Sun gets a license to any HP patent, whose
> contents I happen to mention in a posting.
> If it were at least symmetric, I'd run it past our lawyers. But as
> written, this seems so far out of line that I would really advocate
> going back to the old arrangement. I certainly don't want to encourage
> the precedent that mailing list hosts get patent rights ...
> Hans

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