JavaMemoryModel: JMM not moving to

From: Bill Pugh (
Date: Wed Aug 24 2005 - 10:10:29 EDT

OK, due to complaints about the usage agreement, we will

I suspect that in today's legal climate, universities are the only place
that can host a discussion of technical issues without getting
lawyers involved.

I will create a mailman list
(give me a day or two).
The majordomo software running the old list is getting creaky, the
email alias is on a ton
of spam lists, and we have about 50 stale email addresses on the list.


On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Joe Bowbeer wrote:

> The website terms of participation, which apply to this
> mailing list I believe, are as follows:
> Isn't their intent to protect these discussions and anything based on
> them from patent and copyright suits?
> Joe.
> On 8/23/05, Boehm, Hans <> wrote:
>> Bill, Doug -
>> I didn't take a lot of time to verify this, nor run this past a
>> lawyer.
>> But it seemed to me that in order to access the mailing list, I
>> need to
>> agree to the usage agreement, which I just declined to do.
>> This states in part:
>> 12. The Hosts do not claim ownership of Submissions you post or make
>> available for inclusion on the Service. However, with respect to such
>> Submissions, notwithstanding any other provision of these Website
>> Terms
>> of Participation, you grant to the Hosts a royalty-free, perpetual,
>> irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and license
>> under your intellectual property rights (including, but not
>> limited to,
>> copyright, patent trademark and trade secret rights) to use,
>> reproduce,
>> modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from,
>> distribute, perform and display your Submissions (in whole or part)
>> worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form,
>> media, or
>> technology now known or later developed.
>> If I understand this correctly, then it seems to be entirely
>> unreasonable for the use of a mailing list. In particular, I'm
>> not sure
>> whether it implies that Sun gets a license to any HP patent, whose
>> contents I happen to mention in a posting.
>> If it were at least symmetric, I'd run it past our lawyers. But as
>> written, this seems so far out of line that I would really advocate
>> going back to the old arrangement. I certainly don't want to
>> encourage
>> the precedent that mailing list hosts get patent rights ...
>> Hans
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